Brake & Clutch Cylinders - New type

Keyz

Keyz

Member
Hi guys,

I have tinkered with Minis for a few years, but i'm new to the whole kit car business, picked up my freestyle shell a couple of weeks ago, so appologies if i'm covering old ground.

As it is a new one, i have the new style over-head mounted pedal assembly instead of the pedal box in the passenger footwell. Whilst digging through my pile of old Mini bits I found the brake and clutch master cylinders and offered them into place, at which point I realised they would be on their side and therefore (i'm guessing) useless in that position.
I have the old build manual which doesn't cover this bit, can I still use the Mini cylinders or will I need different ones? If I can use the old ones, what do i need to do to get them pointing in the right direction?
I have noticed some of you guys mentioning cyliners from Sierras and Escorts, is this the way forward?

Sorry for the long post,
Rich Davies
 
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esdebe

New member
If using a remote resiviour then it will be on its side as this is the way dave (Funbuggies owner) intended, if you want to use a Fiat resiviour (some of them fit directly into the mini type 3 MC then you need to re-drill the holes for the bolts so you can mount it the correct way up.

Simon
 
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MattBlack

New member
Hi Rich.

I'll take a punt that everyone who's got the new pedal box will read your post and say.... "How do you explain it in words?"

There were reams of piccys and different ways to do it on the old forum.. but thats dead now.

Here's how i did it if its any help.

I used the mini brake master cylinder and a remote reservoir form Car Builder Solutions. Dave makes an adaptor plate with 2 stubs of pipe welded into it, which you SQUEEZE into the two FEMALE inlets to the master cylinder.. These stubs effectively give the master cylinder 2 MALE inlets, which you then pipe (with brake fluid resistant hose) onto the two outlets from the remote reservoir. Remote reservoir has to have a float switch in the cap for low level indication. Look on CBS it's obvious which one I used... square thing, SVA compliant, two chamber, two black outlets on the bottom of it.

Middle one of these.

http://www.nfauto.co.uk/fluid_reservoir.htm


For the clutch, I used this

http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/popup ... 39&image=0

standard Girling Master Cylinder with integral revervoir also available from CBS but not cheap!


Pics are an easier way to explain it, but real life is better... will you be at Newark?

Matt B
 
Keyz

Keyz

Member
That's great guys, thanks for your help!

Got my brake MC all cleaned up and ready now.

While on the subject of brakes, where have you guys run your pipes?
Will it go through the SVA ok if I rivet them to the floor inside the car or do they need to be run underneath?

Cheers,
Rich
 
Phaeton

Phaeton

Moderator
Staff member
Don't go underneath, they will get damaged if you go off-road. I ran mine along the floor on the passenger side, but they had to be covered for SVA. However if you're using the new pedal box best route is down the drivers side running along either the top or bottom rail. Use P clips every 4-6 inches, would give the metric equivalent but not had the conversion chip fitted in my brain. Don't say whether you're using braided or copper?

Alan...
 
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Steve

New member
I ran mine down the passenger side, but again they had to be covered.
I used some plastic trunking. But do not run them under the car.
 
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MattBlack

New member
i used braided hoses run along the passenger side wall right at the bottom but not not actually on the floor and didn't have to cover them for SVA.

you could look at running them along the top rail of the side wall then they will be covered by the plastic tube which will conceal them nicely (same way as cables are routed).
 
Keyz

Keyz

Member
Haven't decided which ones i'll use yet, i'm leaning towards braided as bending the copper ones is a faff.

So covered or not covered, that is the question...

Is it the case that copper pipes have to be covered, yet braided hoses don't?

Could I run them down the trench that goes down the middle of the car or will the handbrake gubbins get in the way? I intended to cover that up anyway.

Cheers,
Rich
 
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MattBlack

New member
Daves braided ones wouldn't be long enough to run down the tunnel unless they went straight across the middle of the footwell... not a good idea...

Bending copper .. pain in the aristotle!!... just ask Alan.

for my money... braided, along the top of the side rail.. thats how i'd do it if i built another.
 
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esdebe

New member
I had no issue with mine not being covered, but If i did it again I'd run them along the top of the sides as I managed to crimp the clutch one under the passenger chair....

The main thing is to make sure they are not lose and that they are fastened every 10cm or so.
 
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