SVA Form

[Phaeton]

Right might be a bit previous but I have the SVA form & starting to fill it in. Going to ring tomorrow & see what kind of waiting time there is to decide when to ask for one. Reckon if I draw a line in the sand it will make me get it finished, well ready to go fail & then come home & put right what they want me to:lol:

So here goes

Q1 Vehicle Identification or chassis number
A. Will speak to Dave on this one.

Q2 Vehicle Make
A. Funbuggy

Q3 Full Model Description
A. Freestyle

Q4 Full Name & address
A. I can do this one :lol:

Q5 Which Tetsing station
A. Nottingham

Q6 When would you like the test
A. To be decided

Q7 Morning or Afternoon
A. Going for morning

Q8 Type of vehicle Passenger, Goods or both
A. Passenger

Q9 Class of Vehicle
A. A=Amatuer-built

Q10 Not a question as such but telling you for Class A vehicles you need to answer Questions 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 17.

Q11 Please give the date the vehicle was made or first registered
A. Not sure of the answer on this one?

Q12 Type of engine Petrol, Diesel, Gas or Other & whether it's Turbo'd or not. Engine size, Manula or Auto, Number of Wheels, $x4 or not, Number of seats including driver
A. Petrol Non-Turbo, 1275, Manual, 4 wheels & 2 seats.

Q13 Maxmium road speed, Maximum power engine spped in RPM
A. Put down 80mph as max spped, but do not know at what revs maximum power is produced.

Q14 Anti-lock brakes or not
A. Not

Q15 Please give the design weights of the vehicle, needs Axle1: Axle2: Gross & Train all in Kg
A. No idea??

Q17 Date engine was made along with proof
A. 1987, this is cast into the cylinder head opefully they will accept that.

That I think is it.

Any help on the ones I don't know will be apprieciated.

Alan...

 

[jerry]

Hi,
Q11- Put the date you finished the kit or the date that you filled in the form if you havent finished.

Q13- Max power is always worth declairing as less than normal(5000rpmish), so say its 4000/4500 rpm. Your noise test is carried out at engine revs that are a percentage of max power revs, so the less it is, the quieter your exhaust will be.


Q15- Dont put the kerb weight of the buggy( thats the actual weight with full tanks(520kg's ish)). The design weight is the kerb weight, plus two occupants, plus some luggage, so your talking of 750-800kg's.(Dont go too high on design weight kg's as this weight is used in the brake test)
Gross-I put 540kg's
Axle 1- put 210kg,s
Axle 2- put 330kg's
Dont worry about train weight cos thats the combined weight of the car and a trailer, which you dont need

Q17- The casting number on the front of the block doesn't mean a thing to Mr SVA. You need an engine number, with a registration document(V5) with that number on it. If you dont have a V5 then you will need a letter from motor heritage stating the age of the engine as proof, or you will be emmission tested as per a new car- eg cataylitic converters levels. Easy way around this is to get an old V5, stamp the engine number from the V5 on to a strip of alliminum and pop-rivet to the engine, just above the alternator. This V5 can then be used to get around a Q plate and get an age related plate.

Jerry

 

[Phaeton]

Hi,
Q17- Easy way around this is to get an old V5, stamp the engine number from the V5 on to a strip of alliminum and pop-rivet to the engine, just above the alternator. This V5 can then be used to get around a Q plate and get an age related plate.

Jerry

Glad you said that as just today I have sent off the V5C from the donor & changed the engine number to the one that is now installed in the buggy, so when that comes back before I inform the DVLA that it has been scrapped I will take a photocopy of it.

Cheers Jerry.

Alan...

 

[jerry]

Hi,

Dont send off the V5 as scrapped. Technically the doner car has not been scrapped, its just been reshelled, and as the registration stays with the origional chassis(bodyshell) DVLA will issue you with an age related plate( A plate of the same age as the origional regestration number) for the new chassis(buggy). you have to give them(DVLA) the doner V5 when you go to register the buggy. This proves to them that you haven't built the kit from parts from more than one vehicle. Mr SVA man will need to see the doner car V5 so he can test the emmissions to the correct level.

The doner V5 is the most important peice of paper in the life of a buggy!

Jerry

 

[esdebe]

you will surrender the v5c to the local DVLA when you go to license your buggy after you have your SVA certificate.

I recomend that you also write at that time to DVLA swansea to tell them that the donor is nolonger a car as it has been used for building a new car. My local DVLA told me thay woudl do this, but I get a letter from the department that deals with Road Tax avoidance 7 months later telling me I had not paid my TAX on it or declared it at SORN, so it is worth writing to them as it looks like the departments don't talk to eachother.

 

[R1FREESTYLE]

I know it's a long way off but I may as well ask as the topic is being discussed here.
I have the V5 from my donor mini.
What do you think the chances of adopting this vehicle registration for my car. This is bearing in mind I am fitting an 03 Yamaha engine instead of the mini lump. So technically the only parts I can argue car from the donor are the front brakes, suspension (top arms only as tie bars and bottom arms are adjustable) and dampers (although these are new), the handbrake, steering rack (new), column (exchanged, cut and shut)and maybe the indicator arm/switch.
Am I flogging a dead horse trying to keep the registration? Didnt really want a Q plate.

Paul

 

[iank]

I know it's a long way off but I may as well ask as the topic is being discussed here.
I have the V5 from my donor mini.
What do you think the chances of adopting this vehicle registration for my car. This is bearing in mind I am fitting an 03 Yamaha engine instead of the mini lump. So technically the only parts I can argue car from the donor are the front brakes, suspension (top arms only as tie bars and bottom arms are adjustable) and dampers (although these are new), the handbrake, steering rack (new), column (exchanged, cut and shut)and maybe the indicator arm/switch.
Am I flogging a dead horse trying to keep the registration? Didnt really want a Q plate.

Paul

Zero chance (legally) of keeping exactly the same plate. But if you keep enough parts (2 major components) from the donor you can get an age related plate (i.e. if your donor was a B reg you get a B reg plate).

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Bu ... G_10014246

Don't worry about the adjustable bits/new steering rack, they could have been fitted to the donor the day before it was dismantled for all they know
Major components are counted as:
front suspension (yes, but now on the rear)
rear suspension
axles
transmission
steering assembly (arguably yes)

Rumour has it that they are trying to cut back on Q plates for some reason so chances are good for getting an age related plate.

Personally I want a Q plate, it doesn't affect kit values and I can't see it while driving :lol:, the MOT rules state they get a visible smoke only emissions test

Final option (for the sake of completeness) is if you use all new parts (with receipts for the lot!) plus one component reconditioned to as new condition (with a receipt saying that) you get an xx07 xxx registration.

 

[esdebe]

One way to keep the same plate is to register it as a cherished plate first... But this mean geting your donor re-registered with another plate first, so unless it is somthing you really want I wouldn't be bothered with the hastle.

Even then you will still need to have two main parts from the original car, and the engine would probably need to be one of them, again you could tell teh DVLA that you have changed the engine in the donor to your bike one....

Simon

 

[iank]

One way to keep the same plate is to register it as a cherished plate first... But this mean geting your donor re-registered with another plate first, so unless it is somthing you really want I wouldn't be bothered with the hastle.

Even then you will still need to have two main parts from the original car, and the engine would probably need to be one of them, again you could tell teh DVLA that you have changed the engine in the donor to your bike one....

Simon

How would the cherished plate help? You can't transfer a plate onto a Q, and I've read (but can't find a reference right now) that an age related plate can't be changed.

As I said, steering and front suspension are enough, doesn't need to be the engine.

 

[esdebe]

I beg to differ, it is unlikely you will get an age related plate without one of the Engine/gearbox/transmision too. But if you can and you want to have the same registation then making it a cherished reg first is the only way to keep the number plate, then after you register the car you have have the cherished plate transfered back.....

 

[iank]

I beg to differ, it is unlikely you will get an age related plate without one of the Engine/gearbox/transmision too. But if you can and you want to have the same registation then making it a cherished reg first is the only way to keep the number plate, then after you register the car you have have the cherished plate transfered back.....

That's ok.

On the first point I guess we'll have to disagree. I think you can get the two major items required from suspension and steering components as described on the link I posted (and the V627). Engine/transmission is the more usual route agreed.

On the second point, I can't find any reference one way or the other to being able to transfer a cherished plate onto a kitcar. I've certainly read it isn't possible somewhere. Have you managed to do it?

 

[Phaeton]

I also think you are going to struggle this is from the link Ian posted

"And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine." I personally don't think you qualify at present.

What I have tried to do & we will only find out later if it is successful is to change the engine number over on the V5C log book so the donor effectively has the engine fitted. I see no reason why yu couldn't do that with the Yamaha engine, your advantage in doing it now is, it maybe sometime before your kit hits the road. My concern is I hope to have it registered with only 2 months gap between engine change & applying for new registration. They may realise what I have done & why.

On the part about Q plates, I am sure that once given a Q plate you cannot remove it or transfer a 'cherished' plate onto it. I cannot find a source or evidence on-line to support it but I am pretty certain. Well actually more than pretty certain.


Alan...

 

[toyotacat1]

Sorry i beg to differ on the emissions statement they now test the emissions and the emissions maximum is now printed on the log book for that paticular kit car cos i was under that impression from when i owned my seven replica back then it was just visual but they've now changed it unfortunately i checked when my buggy was tested at mot last year by phoneing the ministry.

cheers
Lee

 

[R1FREESTYLE]

Thanks Guys,
Have to agree after reading the info on the link that it looks like a Q Plate. The remaining parts from the donor are not enough according to that to warrant an age related plate either. Never mind, at least I know where I am headed now. It's the part of the project that I am least looking forward to, I must admit. I'd rather be lying on a damp workshop floor grinding rusty sills off above my head than filling out forms for the SVA test.

Paul

 

[iank]

Sorry i beg to differ on the emissions statement they now test the emissions and the emissions maximum is now printed on the log book for that paticular kit car cos i was under that impression from when i owned my seven replica back then it was just visual but they've now changed it unfortunately i checked when my buggy was tested at mot last year by phoneing the ministry.

cheers
Lee

The MOT rules explicitly state Q reg is visible smoke only
See here:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthr ... ?tid=60361
and the vosa link here:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/reposit ... 202004.pdf

The last guy on the thread (bigrich) is an MOT tester by trade.

 

[jerry]

Hi,

Due to the fact that an MOT tester cannot prove the age of an engine, they can only test for visual smoke. This is for ANY kit. Just the same as if you take your normal car in for an MOT and tell the tester that the car is fitted with a pre 1975 engine, they have no way of proving that the engine is of a certain age so they have to test it to the emmissions of the engine age, not of the chassis age....I've done this on many occasions over the years!


Jerry

 

[esdebe]

I was never saying that a Q could be swaped for a cherished plate, I was more refering to Keepingthe original plate wich is what the first post was asking... Not age related but keeping the original. This can be done by making it a cherished plate and then geting it moved onto the car afterwards (providing it is of the same age or older I believe)

 

[iank]

I was never saying that a Q could be swaped for a cherished plate, I was more refering to Keepingthe original plate wich is what the first post was asking... Not age related but keeping the original. This can be done by making it a cherished plate and then geting it moved onto the car afterwards (providing it is of the same age or older I believe)

I know I was trying to cover all the possibilities for Paul. But I was sure I'd read somewhere about problems transferring where age related plates were involved. After an evening of google I'm pretty sure I've found what I remember, but it's still not clear. The age related plates you get are supposed to be 'non transferable' (which it will say in section 3 of the v5c)

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consul ... 190404.pdf

However it's not clear whether that means you can transfer another plate onto the car, or whether it works both ways - you certainly can't trasfer an age related plate off onto another car.

The original piece (which seems to have dropped off the web, or was in a magazine) was talking about the problem of pre-73 reg being put onto cars to get tax free status and how the dvla were not allowing kits with ancient donors to pick up the tax free status, or fiddling it through using a transfer.

I'd be interested to know if you have actually managed a cherished transfer onto your buggy, or have a definitive reference - I may even have to get INF26 just in case that clears it up once and for all. But then again knowing the way the dvla works you could ask 10 people who work there and get 10 different answers :?

 

[esdebe]

Yup DVLA always give a different answer depending on who you talk to.

I haven't done the cherished thing myself, but I did read it somewhere wehn I was doing all the legal stuff last year.

Saying that I can't find anything about it now, and a quick google found this

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/consul ... 190404.pdf

Which states that "• That all kit converted vehicles built using a new or modified chassis/bodyshell be allocated non- transferable VRMs and that cherished transfers be prohibited in the same way as ‘Q’ registered vehicles."

 

[jerry]

Hi
I kept the donor mini regestration number when went to dvla in bristol. I said i wanted an age related plate and not a Q and was told that i could keep the old one. the V5c says its a freestyle,two axle ridged body, etc, and has the last keeper as the mate i had the car from......


Jerry